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I don't begrudge Chotiner's asking tough-but-fair questions, but I found his plan of attack increasingly shallow and obtuse the more I read on, culminating in the absurd Kissinger diversion that clearly generated more heat than light and did you a disservice. For what it's worth, I found your responses characteristically generous, thoughtful, and compelling.

He resorted multiple times to the form of question, "You say this guy is on your liberal team, and yet he said or did this or that bad thing." You thus stood accused of appreciating some big ideas of people who sometimes said bad things. But it's not the bad things you're defending, and so his list of gotchas -- Hayek once said this, and this, Rothbard said that, Reagan opposed anti-discrimination laws -- seemed beside the point. This style of argument -- a sort of historical ad hominem -- is depressingly common now, depressing because it avoids good-faith engagement with ideas in favor of throwing stink.

I can barely glimpse in the stinky fog the outlines of a fair question. That question might go along the lines of, "You count conservatives like Reagan as liberals in the broad sense. And yet the conservative movement was in part grounded in opposition to civil rights. Reagan, for example, once voiced opposition to anti-discrimination laws on ostensibly libertarian grounds. The recent Buckley biography reminds us once again of his early support for formal white supremacy in the south, and not white supremacy in the woke sense but in the old-fashioned sense. Aren't civil rights a fundamental liberal value? Doesn't opposition to them put one outside even the big tent?" (Lots to say there; you said much of it in the interview.) But that wasn't his approach.

Other aspects bothered me. He seemed unfamiliar with the usage of "human rights" as referring to individual rights in relation to the state, of the sort found in the Bill of Rights, FDR's Second Bill of Rights, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. He seemed to think about it only in terms of foreign affairs. I also found striking his apparent resistance to the very idea of big-tent liberalism, an idea I certainly cherish, now more than ever insofar as it clarifies what's under threat and reminds us of what we should all agree on as Americans. It's as though he doesn't want to find agreement. He wants to say, they're bad, we're good, and the bad goes back to conservatives you say nice things about. What's this common ground b.s.? I mean, conservatives are liberals? Alito and Thomas aren't fascists? I find that "hard to believe"!

I used to be a lawyer. For many years now, I've been a high school teacher. I remember drawing a traditional left-right political spectrum on the board once -- the far right was fascism, the far left was communism, there were a few other labels, liberalism was in the middle, and, within that liberal center resided American conservatives and American liberals. Part of the idea was to highlight the relative lack of extremism in U.S. politics (this was some years ago), to highlight the liberal values we tended to share in practice, a sharing we took for granted amid the battles. Not that those battles were pointless food fights, far from it. They were important and interesting. But they took place under a big tent. We dismantle that tent at our peril.

The Second Bill of Rights is among my favorite books on the era, on FDR, on liberalism, on politics. This new one is on the way and I look forward to reading it.

Cheers

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